Convictions, interconnectedness, and getting out of despair

Note: This post will be making a lot of references to The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky, so it may be a bit incomprehensible…and will basically be a ramble.

So I just wrote a 7-page paper on why Dostoevsky believes Ivan does not know how to deal with suffering and why Alyosha does…but I didn’t get a chance to try and figure out how this applies to my life. That’s the whole reason I’m taking this class on existentialism, isn’t it? To attempt to figure out why my so-called existentialist philosophy on the world may or may not work for me… So, I’m going to try and flesh out my thoughts here.

While I argue in my paper that Ivan does not know how to deal with suffering, and that his view on the world is problematic, I find myself identifying with the majority of Ivan’s beliefs. Here are some examples:

  • “the absurd is only too necessary to earth. The world stands on absurdities, and perhaps nothing would have come to pass in it without them. We know what we know! …I made up my mind long ago not to understand. If i try to understand anything, I shall be false to the fact, and I have determined to stick to the fact” (Dostoevsky 220).
  • “What do I care for a hell for oppressors? What good can hell do, since those children have already been tortured?” (221)

However, a discrepancy between Ivan’s and my views is that he oscillates between claiming God exists and God does not exist; for me, God does not exist. Perhaps I don’t have a clear understanding of Ivan’s belief about God’s existence. But the fact of the matter is, he did not existentialize God the way Alyosha seemed to have been able to.

For Alyosha, the existentialization of God was the ability for him to get in touch with agape love – the Christian love of brothers, an “interestedness” in people. Through such, he is able to escape suffering and despair. I like to believe that I have “existentialized God” in the sense that the meaning others attribute to God, I’ve attributed to other things in my life. Vague, perhaps. But at the same time, how could I have ever existentialized God if I were never really exposed to it in the first place? That’s the issue with my trying to understand the philosophies of philosophical thinkers Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, and the like: that they come from a background of Christian religion (or even Western religion, at that), and that it was after they were exposed and taught it, that they attempted to reconcile such with their own existential beliefs. What am I reconciling?

I’ve had friends who wanted me to go to church and try and be exposed to Christian teachings. It’s one thing to be exposed to it — which I have, mildly, through most of my classes involving philosophy and/or English — but it’s another to attempt to learn it for your own life and own philosophy. I honestly just don’t see the need to do that, because why would I need to learn about Christian teachings only to have to reconcile those teachings and “beliefs” that I may obtain with my current views?

Anyhow, that wasn’t the point – the point is that I need to figure out what it is I’m missing – the steps between Ivan and Alyosha… Because in the novel, Ivan goes into despair and becomes crazy. I argue that it’s his logical nature and his need to rationalize everything with reason that becomes his downfall. For me, I reason things – to an extent. But then it’s like Ivan’s own quote about the absurdities. There are things on earth (and even beyond, if you’d like to believe) that we can never understand – that I can never understand. I’m trying to, which is why I even take these classes to begin with, but I know that there are always going to be aspects of our existence that are just incomprehensible and inexplicable. But I’m okay with that.

…And I think that’s what may be “bad.” Ivan was okay with it – or so he thought. His doubts and so-called “convictions” come back to haunt him and, in my reading, attribute to his downfall/craziness. I can see my similarity to Ivan: we are both so convicted in our convictions. What if that’s all we have? I always like to think that it’s enough, that it is all we have and that’s the beauty of it…Because what I believe, I so strongly believe it’s true for me, that there can be nothing else of a fundamental truth in my mind. Is it bad, to have this strong of a conviction, through reasoning?

Alyosha, on the other hand, gets in tune with this interconnectedness and “agape” love that Dostoevsky supposed believes we need to do. How do I do this, via a non-Christian context? Alyosha does it by existentializing the religious sacraments and being incarnation of God (or, rather, Dostoevsky existentalizes them..), but what would be the need for me to existentialize these sacraments if I never had them in my life to begin with?

So, somehow, I need to figure out how to get “in touch” with this interconnectedness amongst people. I don’t think it’s really socially or anything in that sense. A disconnect I can pinpoint would begin with basically the content of this post. In my lifetime, I’ve come across very few people who share similar sentiments or are even willing to discuss these types of issues with me. I think it’s difficult for me to feel “interconnected” with others in this sense when I don’t feel like I can connect with others philosophically(?). But I don’t think it’s so much that they need to have the same philosophy as I do, for what would be interesting to discuss then?, but as that few people think about these issues and question their beliefs. Again, this is probably an issue I’ve struggled with for who knows how long now, but I think the fact that I still feel this disconnect is something that should be figured out… But how??? Practically, it’s not really possible. Who has time to think about fundamental beliefs such as these. Some people don’t want to, because then it shakes the very foundations of their existence…etc.etc.

…so what is it?? I’m confusedddddddd. Obviously I’m not going to evaluate my life and philosophy exactly as how Dostoevsky pictured it, for how do we even know 100% that that was really even his philosophy? But it’s an everyday struggle (yes, I am being overly dramatic) in figuring out how we (myself include, and perhaps the human race too…and no, I am not trying to be patronizing nor all-knowing) get out of despair and find meaning in our lives, or else everything is rendered ‘pointless’ and what would be the point of that?

Note: My reading of Dostoevsky’s Brothers Karamazov is via my professor’s (Professor Hubert Dreyfus) interpretation of the novel. The class it’s for is “Existentialism in Literature and Film.”

Also, I have written a follow-up entry to this: “Creating and discovering new suns..” as of May 8, 2010.

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  • Okay, I've been insanely absent for a while... as school ends, the papers and projects pile and pile...

    Though I haven't read Dostoevsky, I can relate to your argument about whether or not god exists. I struggle with this frequently, often swinging to one or the other. I feel frequently that there is something here that I cannot explain. Something cosmic, something I am a part of. It is not greater than me nor I am greater than it. But I feel something mysterious in nature, and it's beautiful, but I just don't know what it is. Is it god, or what we call god?

    Along the same lines, you talked about pointlessness. As for me, though I am not necessarily a nihilist, I don't think we have some sort of be-all, end-all role in life; I don't think we should follow 'god's will,' because there isn't a will to follow. Though I don't know if I will ever find a purpose in life, there is something fantastic and wonderful about it. And though I don't want to die, I don't fear death. I think death is a simple fact, and a cycle--my flesh will decay into the earth, which nourishes the plants, which are eaten by animals, which are then eaten by bigger animals, who die... and become part of this truly endless cycle. So how can we ever truly die, if that is what happens?

    I have studied Christianity for a long time, and I think that the ideology that is found in modern churches to be bloated and false. Though I am not a Christian, I will defend the core of its belief system, which is this beautiful message of unconditional love and tolerance. The bible, specifically the New Testament, is riddled with contradictions, though most Christians will vehemently proclaim otherwise. And when you point out specific examples with the verses right in front of them, they will rationalize it and further try to convert you. Yes, I have had experience with this and it has made me bitter and angry.

    I should stop talking. Sorry if this made little sense. I probably sound like a nutcase.
  • Roz
    Hey Hannah..I totally hear ya on the projects and papers. Such a pain!
    I definitely feel like life/existence in general is something that I cannot explain, and I think that's why I attempt to define my life for myself, rather than based on other doctrines/theology/etc. And as you say, attempting to find the purpose *can* be what's so fantastic about it. That's probably a point I should remind myself of more often, because sometimes I think I get too wrapped up in it and get into despair..but that's just only sometimes.. :P

    I actually totally agree with you about death. I obviously don't want to die either, but the way I see, if I die, I die. And since I don't personally believe in an afterlife or anything after death, I can't see how death would be a 'big deal' to me if I were already dead and cannot feel what it feels like to be dead or know that I'm dead, if that makes sense. In the endless cycle, we physically do not die in that sense..but to me the 'scariest' part about death is losing my mind/brain/ability to be conscious of what's happening. So when I am dead, I'd see myself truly dead in the sense that my mind is no longer working, even if my physical body will remain 'alive.'

    What we study in my philosophy class *is* this notion of the fundamental core of Christianity and the unconditional commitment, love, and tolerance. It's something my professor also defends, but in practice it becomes something totally different. What's intriguing to me about existentialism is the attempt to 'secularize' this type of unconditional commitment to God and somehow make sense of it in this semi-nihilist world we seem to live in.

    Don't worry, you don't sound like a nutcase to me. If anything I probably sound even more like one!
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